Alfonso Faustino: Motorola APX 8000HXE

My goal, ever since I moved from amateur transceivers to Motorola, was to get a brand new APX 8000; and, on May 2020, I made the purchase.

Hold on…I ended up NOT getting the Motorola APX 8000 after all…instead, I ended up getting two models up above the Motorola APX 8000; I ended up getting the Motorola Flag-ship; hence, I exceeded my goal and got the rare, brand new, elusive, hard-to-get Motorola APX 8000HXE — directly from the Motorola Factory — another huge win in my journey towards effectuating my goal.

Now, I realize having the Motorola APX 8000HXE doesn’t mean shit to a lot of people; and, it sure as hell doesn’t mean shit to the majority of the HAM population; but, remember this…I didn’t set this goal to achieve it for you or anyone else…I achieved this goal for myself; and, those that matter to me, even though they might not know about the Motorola APX 8000HXE, are happy for me; because, they know I’m about achieving my goals.

When I’m talking about my goals, I ain’t JUST talking about setting a financial goal — while that’s an essential part of obtaining certain goals, like this one, it isn’t the end-all moment; and, it is the easier part of my goal process; because, I have direct control over my finances, and, like you, I have a financial formula that works for me towards making a purchase of something…so, I view making money is the easier part of my goal-acquisition-process; the other elements of the processes are much more difficult and challenging, such as, but not limited to, getting that something that is not easily available to the general public and coupling that difficulty of getting that something that is not easily available to the general public with the goal of learning all about that something; so, I can manipulate it for use to my specific circumstances.

So, when I’m talking about getting a Ferrari, or in my case two Ferraris, I’m not ONLY talking about the financial preparations, I’m talk about getting a Ferrari and learning everything I can about that car; so, I can manipulate it to the best of my ability — I wanna be able to drive it proficiently and as close to the performance envelope as I possibly can on and off the race-track. For me, that’s the goal!

I approached my acquisition of a Motorola APX transceiver in the same manner as purchasing my Ferraris; because, my goal was to acquire a Motorola APX 8000, learn about it, and manipulate it to my specific communications needs — just like I did in the learning process of racing my Ferraris — I hung out with experienced Ferrari racing instructors; and, I asked them questions, and I learned from them.

So, I applied the same learning process I executed with my Ferraris to my Motorola APX 8000HXE. I talked with Motorola APX operators about their Motorola APX transceivers and creating code-plugs. I listened and asked questions to the point that I finally understood, albeit a basic level, the way the Motorola APX transceivers work.

I’m still a beginner with the Motorola APX product-line; but, I’m learning more and more as each day passes.

I like being in the presence of other Motorola transceiver owners; because, they are really smart, and they have so much knowledge and experiences of programming and using the Motorola transceivers for their work and their social HAM activities. They are small in numbers when compared to the entire HAM population; and, I, as a newbie to this new group of Motorola operators, enjoy learning from them and soaking up their information and experiences.

This BLOG is about my journey in achieving my goal of acquiring the Motorola APX 8000HXE…learn about it and live it.

At first, I was gonna get the Motorola APX 7000, but I backed out of the deal; because, as I mentioned in my past BLOGs, I don’t like buying used stuff — since Motorola quit making the Motorola APX 7000, I had only two options: buy a used mint-condition one or wait for a seller to sell new item old stock. I preferred the latter; but, during my purchase activity, no new item old stock was available to me.

9-January-2021: Thanks, Matt, for honoring me into your organization…the stickers of my call-sign and my ID number is known only by other operators in the organization.

An opportunity from the Motorola Factory came up, regarding a brand new fully loaded Motorola APX 8000HXE. Of course, I jumped on it without even asking about the price. New Motorola APXes are first reserved for LEOs, first responders, and government and military agencies — civilians aren’t considered in Motorola Factory’s selling scheme — especially, the Motorola APX 8000HXE, which is Motorola’s flagship transceiver. I’m a civilian; hence, I jumped at the opportunity that Motorola presented to me.

So For A Few Dollars More, I purchased the Motorola APX 8000HXE.

It’s call-sign is, The Hulk.

6-July-2020: The Hulk has been in full service; and, my code-plug is complete with all the P25 and analog repeaters I use. I also have simplex frequencies in my code-plug.

The Hulk has brought me great experiences so far; and, I can’t wait to bring it the Hulk with me to my SCUBA dive that’s coming up. During the dive, I will be submerging Hulk into the ocean’s salt water. It should not be an issue; the Hulk has a primary water-resistant internal casing, and the Hulk has the HazLoc feature which is the key component of the Motorola APX 8000HXE.

The other feature that I found extremely convenient was the top control screen.

20-June-2020, at 0805 Hours PDT: I still feel and believe The Hulk is one of the best purchases I made for 2020; and, I would repeat this purchase if I had to do it all over again.

I will be the first to admit, The Hulk is definitely more than a HAM operator would ever need in a transceiver; but, for me, I was raised to not be without. In other words, I don’t wanna be in a situation whereby my transceiver can’t do something out in the field.

Would I ever need night-goggles out in the field; hence, does my transceiver need a night-goggle feature?

Most likely not, but if I did, I wanna make sure my transceiver can accommodate the night-goggles.

Will I ever TX on the 700/800 band?

Most likely not; but, if a volunteer mission with the sheriff’s office, SFFD, or USCG required and gave me permission to do so, I would.

I am really enjoying using The Hulk; I really dig the RX quality — The Hulk picks up RX from many miles away, long-distance simplex freqs seems like a piece of cake, and I also am learning more about The Hulk’s excellent GPS acquisition capabilities — lock-on is quick, sustainable, and balls-to-the-walls accurate!

I really dig my Motorola APX 8000HXE; the RX on this transceiver is AMAZING!

Yes, it is definitely worth the price I paid for it!

15-June-2020, at 1400 Hours PDT: I wanted to test my noise-cancellation at the pistol range today, but the range was not operational today.

(CAPTION: My trustworthy Motorola XPR 7550e receiving a TX from my Motorola APX 8000HXE at a construction site with nose-cancellation feature on.)

So, I decided to venture over to a construction site about one ground mile west of my penthouse. Directly behind me, were construction workers using a hi-pressure jet water hose to blast the dirt and mud off the street of the site they were working on.

I wish I had someone to record me at the site; because, it was really loud. I had to exercise due diligence to ensure I was not yelling into the mic; because, if I did yell into Hulk’s mic, my TX would be way too hot into the receiving transceiver, which was my trusted Motorola XPR 7550e.

The hissing sound you might hear my TX I’m the video is not the hi-pressure jet water hose — it is the normal airwave noise that all transceivers have during RX and TX.

13-June-2020, @ 2100 Hours PDT: Hanging out with my mum and sister at my mum’s penthouse. While they were talking, I made contact with an operator ~56 ground miles north of my penthouse. The RX was so crystal clear; and, the WIN operator mentioned my TX was also crystal clear — he was surprised that I was so crystal clear given my distance, no LOS, and using a rubber-duck and hand-held transceiver only pushing ~5 watts (UHF).

12-June-2020, @ 1030 Hours PDT: I ordered a high-capacity battery from Motorola. It’s an intrinsically-safe Impress battery.

It’s going through the conditioning process; after the conditioning process is complete, it will go through the charging cycle.

Now, Hulk is fully charged with its high-capacity intrinsically-safe Impress battery.

It reminds me of an extended magazine for my Sig Sauer side-arm.

It is much bigger than the stock Impress intrinsically-safe battery.

I played tennis today; and, while I was waiting for my tennis partner to show up, I wanted to test Hulk’s range; so, I pick out a repeater in Palo Alto, CA, which is ~45 ground mile from the tennis courts in San Francisco; and, I’m so impressed with Hulk’s RX range.

So, if you wanna get a Hulk or any APX model, such as, APX 6000, APX 7000, or APX 8000, you wanna make sure you have, at the minimum, these features in your flash-code:

  • all four bands activated,
  • Federal FPP,
  • P25 Phase 1 & Phase 2 activated, and
  • Trunking

These are the important key features you want in your flash-code. My flash-code is fully loaded; and, I have software-driven encryption in addition to hardware-driven encryption. For HAM stuff, encryption is no permitted; so, you don’t need any encryption.

Hulk was suppose to go to a federal agency; so, it was fully loaded when I got it.

11-June-2020, @ 1100 Hours PDT: Okay, this coming Saturday, 13-June-2020, @ 1330 Hours PDT, will mark my two-week ownership of my brand new Motorola APX 8000HXE. I am extremely happy with it; and, I am more amazed by it with each day I use it. I sleep with it; I work-out with it, such as doing my HIITs or playing tennis; it is with me 24/7; and, it is quite the conversation-starter with the public.

I get questions like, Is that a satellite phone? What is that thing?

While in the park, a woman asked me about my Motorola APX 8000HXE…while I was telling her about it, I felt a connection with her…she then ask me, when this CoVid-19 gets a vaccine, would you like to get together? (We showed each other our pictures on our iPhones; and, now, we are texting and going on walks — she’s pretty and smart.)

I enjoy fielding the questions, and I always give a demonstration on an analog frequency…I do my demonstrations on analog; because, I know more operators on analog that monitor the repeaters; hence, 100% of the time, I know I will get a response.

After my demonstration, they ask where they can buy one; and, I chuckle and say, well, you need to take your FCC HAM license test; and, once you pass, then you can look into purchasing a transceiver, but you definitely don’t wanna buy this one at your beginning stages…if you still are adamant in getting this one, then we can talk; but, first pass your test.

My HAM mentor, Tom, spent many years at the Motorola farm working on transceivers; he was a technician there, and he knows a lot about Motorola. When I first got my license ~five years ago, he got me into a Yaesu. I learned all about that transceiver…after a month or so; he was impressed with my quick progress; and, my ability to quickly understand the technical aspects of stuff; hence, he said, ahh, grass-hoppa…it is time for you to graduate to the world of Motorola [transceivers]. You will now learn about DMR, then P25, and Motorola.

So, I purchased, upon his recommendation, I purchased two brand new Motorola XPR 7550e — one UHF and one VHF (no “e”). I don’t like buying used stuff…it’s a quirk of mine…all my stuff needs to be brand new — new old stock is fine…as long as I’m the first owner, and the stuff is new…then, I’m a happy camper.

Within a month or so, I quickly learned the Motorola way of doing things; and, I never complained; I just assumed the position, like my acting instructor use to tell me whenever I had to do a scene or role that I did not wanna do, and I did it — without complaints and with extreme focus and discipline in order to achieve my objectives and goals.

I would go on to purchase additional Motorola transceivers, such as, but not limited to, the Motorola XTS 5000 Model III, Motorola XTS 5000 Model II, and the Motorola XTS 5000R Model II. With each of my Motorolas, I assumed the position and went through the learning curve with extreme focus and discipline, and I completed my objectives and goals with each of them.

Now, I’m proud to say, I earned my seat at the Motorola table — I can sit with the big boys now — no longer do I sit with the kiddies at the small table located in the kitchen corner…I am now sitting at the dining room table, in the dining room, with the big Boyz.

Of course, I’m not at the head of the table; I am nowhere near the head of the table; because, like all things in life, there is a pecking order, and those Motorola operators at the head or near the head of the table have years upon years of knowledge and experiences that make them HAM and Motorola gurus; but, the cool thing is I now have access to them, and while I sit, listen, and keep my mouth shut, I am learning — constantly learning.

I take pride in saying, many HAM operators don’t have the patience, acumen, interest, focus, discipline, nor temperament get into the Motorola world. It is in my nature to learn and expand my knowledge — I’ve been that way ever since I was a kid. I love and need to learn; and, I enjoy challenges, stress, and crisis — I work best at those levels — add the element of a time restriction, well, you just made me the happiest camper — in all my life in and out of HAM, I always met my deadlines with a functional product, a viable solution, or an effective and efficient project plan.

It took me about five minutes to understand the Motorola APX 8000HXE’s CPS; then, it took me about a week to enter all the frequencies I use on P25, VHF, and UHF R1. Within that week, I started to learn about various features of the Motorola APX 8000HXE; and, I’m still learning about the CPS’s settings to apply to my Motorola APX 8000HXE in order for it to do certain things out in the field…like, noise-cancellation.

The Motorola APX 8000HXE is a quad band; though, I only use two bands: UHF R1 and VHF. The Motorola APX 8000HXE has both P25 Phase I and Phase II; though, I only use Phase I; because, all the HAM P25 repeaters are Phase I. Yes, the Motorola APX 8000HXE is more than I will ever need or use — it is my primary HAM transceiver these days.

My personal lay-man’s description the Motorola APX 8000HXE is this…take a regular Motorola APX 8000 injected with uber amounts of steroids and radiation; stick in a gamma radiation chamber, like the one David Banner laid in, and turn on the radiation chamber to an insane amount; and, boom…you got the Motorola APX 8000HXE.

I affectionately named my Motorola APX 8000HXE, The Hulk, not just because it’s green…I named my Motorola APX 8000HXE The Hulk because it practically indestructible in extreme environments: 500-degree Fahrenheit temperature for five minutes, extreme height impact shock resistance, 4-hour submersion in water, intrinsically safe in all flammable vapor environments, extreme sound, and so on.

The Motorola APX 8000 is the top-of-the-line Motorola transceiver now…above the top-of-the-line, there’s a tier Motorola calls, Flagship, and thats the Motorola APX 8000HXE — it is Motorola’s best APX 8000 transceiver, which is labeled as the appended by the letters HXE.

Okay…for you fellow Ferrari owners (I’ve owned two Ferraris for over 25 years)…think of it this way…we have our Ferraris that most of us can purchase for several hundred thousand dollars — no problem for us to get those Ferraris at that price…but, as you know, there is the Super Ferraris, such as my favorite Super Ferrari, La Ferrari, which costs one-two million dollars from Ferrari; and, as you also know, Ferrari only sells those Super Ferraris, which are extremely limited in production, to their special Ferrari clients. Those clients have been long-time customers of Ferrari and have made Super Ferrari purchases many times in the past. Ferrari owners like you and me won’t be considered for these Super Ferraris until we prove ourselves to Ferrari by way of our financial powers and our personal characters.

If we wanna get a Super Ferrari, we have to find it through other sources; and, it will be more expensive than the price Ferrari is selling it; and, even then, that is less likely to happen; because, Ferrari owners sign a first-right-of-refusal to Ferrari and the Ferrari dealership. This stops Ferrari owners from selling their exclusive Ferraris in the secondary market for triple the price they purchased it from Ferrari; and, if they break this contract, Ferrari excommunicates them from the Ferrari organization, which means they will be dropped off the exclusive Ferrari owners’ list, which means no more access to the newest Ferraris or the Super Ferraris from the dealership or from the Ferrari organization.

Well, the Motorola APX 8000HXE is the La Ferrari in the Motorola product line. It is the super apex predator of the Motorola line; and, it is first reserved to first responders…in other words, Motorola will first sell to first responders; and, if there are no back-orders for first responders, then guys like me will be able to get one.

I paid the extra differential, and Saturday, 30-May-2020, I took possession and custody of my brand new Motorola APX 8000HXE.

During my two weeks, I did a number of tests; and, I’m still testing it. One of the features I tested was the noise-cancellation on both the RX and TX; and, I was utterly amazed. Through jack-hammers, firearms getting discharged, and talking in the shower, my Motorola APX 8000HXE cancelled out those competing noise backgrounds, and the recipient of my TX did not hear a single sound except my voice — amazing.

The other thing I really enjoy and noticed is the RX is super sensitive on the Motorola APX 8000HXE…it can pick up RX from distances I didn’t expect.

The sound quality is clear; and, it sounds like I’m talking and listening on my Apple iPhone 11 Pro.

It’s body fits perfectly in my hands and the controls knobs are big and fat; so, I can make a good purchase when I grab the body and tune the transceiver without any problems whatsoever — with or without gloves.

I like that the indices provide me with a good sound and feel of click to reinforce in my mind and hand that I am locked into whatever setting I choose.

I dig the Gorilla Glass for the front screen and top screen — no more worrying about scratches.

The top screen is so useful when I have my Motorola APX 8000HXE on my belt.

The biggest feature I enjoy…quad-band frequencies all in one transceiver — now, I don’t need to carry two transceivers…I just carry one.

Another big feature I enjoy is the Federal FPP. My Motorola XPR 7550e has FPP, too; so, I’m glad it was available on the Motorola APX 8000HXE, too.

I really dig the hi-viz green — easy to spot!

Any negatives?

None yet.

I will be doing a water submersion test next week; so, I will update this BLOG with pictures and my results. It’s suppose to be water resistant to up to four hours of submersion.

8-June-2020, at 0005 Hours PDT: My Motorola APX 8000HXE is a functional work of art…as mentioned, I affectionately call it, The Hulk.

Hulk ergonomically fits perfectly in my hands, and I get a good purchase on it; so, I don’t feel like it’s gonna slip out of my hand.

My next test is to introduce the Hulk into the water — I will take the Hulk into the shower with me to simulate a heavy rain storm and RX and TX from the shower.

The GPS on my Motorola APX 8000HXE, like my Motorola XPR 7550e, is quick and dead-on accurate.

7-June-2020, @ 1400 Hours PDT: I am truly impressed with the RX quality of my Motorola APX 8000HXE.

(CAPTION: Motorola APX 8000HXE on CARLA System 7: San Jose (

Amazing clarity and clean RX coming into my Motorola APX 8000HXE. I’m very happy with my purchase.

6-June-2020, @ 1825 Hours PDT:

5-June-2020, @ 0842 Hours PDT: I finally finished programming all the amateur frequencies I want into my Motorola APX 8000HXE.

I’m so impressed with this transceiver…one of the things I noticed in my close to one week of ownership, is the excellent RX.

I am fortunate to be able to afford the wonderful professional heavy duty transceiver. It’s nice to feel my Motorola APX 8000HXE exceeded my needs and wants in a communications device both in a mission-critical environment, as well as a social environment — the fact that I don’t need to carry multiple commercial/professional transceivers is a HUGE benefit with my Motorola APX 8000HXE.

Tonight, 4-June-2020, I will complete the rest of CARLA, and I hope to get Cal-Net done. After these are done, I will be 100% complete for the amateur frequencies.

After those frequencies are done, I will be 100% complete with my code-plug for my Motorola APX 8000HXE.

3-June-2020: I really dig this Motorola APX 8000HXE. As far as I know, according to the Motorola, I’m the only civilian in the state of California that owns the Motorola APX 8000HXE in brand new status and straight from the factory — granted…I can’t think of any civilian interest in owning this transceiver or knows about it — why would they want one?

Bottom line…it’s tough to get one; and, granted, most HAM operators ain’t gonna drop $XX,000.00 (retail) on a brand new Motorola APX 8000HXE nor a regular brand new Motorola transceiver for that matter. So, even though I take pride in being the only civilian operator in California to own one, it doesn’t mean a damn thing — it is just a personal goal I set and accomplished; and, you know the way I am about achieving my objectives to get to my goals (Ferraris) — yes?

Yesterday, 2-June-2020, I test out the Noise-Cancellation feature of my Motorola APX 8000HXE at an active corporate construction site in San Francisco, CA.

(CAPTION: My Motorola transceiver collection — not shown are my Motorola Radius CP200 (VHF and Motorola Radius CP200 UHF — my mum has the UHF for part of her emergency auxiliary communications; and, the VHF is in its box after acquiring the Motorola XPR 7550 VHF.)

Noise-cancellation is amazing.

Can you hear the jack-hammer that is ~50ft in front of me?

Can you hear the bull-dozer moving blocks of concrete and dirt and loading them up into the trailer of an 18-wheeler that is ~50 ft away from me?

Can you hear the industrial saws cutting rods of iron that is ~20 away from me?

How about the industrial-size gas compressor that is pumping electricity to to the contractors electrical tools? I’m standing within one foot of that industrial-size compressor — can you hear it running?

If you can hear those items in my TX, well…you have some impressive auditory qualities.

According to my ears, I hear none of those things…I am unnecessarily over-modulating (yelling into my Motorola APX 8000HXE mic) — all I need to do is speak in a normal tone in this type of environment; because the Motorola APX 8000HXE’s noise-cancellation setting doesn’t require yelling into the mic.

Pretty impressive, eh?

Today, 3-June-2020, I’m going to the shooting range to discharge my three Sig Sauer sidearms.

I will test the noise-cancellation at the shooting range today, as weapons get discharged.

1-June-2020: This is my third day with the Motorola APX 8000HXE; and, I really like it, so much!

The quality of the RX and TX is so exceptional. I’m still learning about it.

Well, now, as of today, 29-May-2020, @ 1257 Hours PDT, it is OFFICIAL: I ended up getting the Motorola APX 8000HXE fully loaded from the Motorola Factory.

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(CAPTION: My new Motorola APX 8000HXE, which I bought brand new from the Motorola Factory; I affectionately call my Motorola APX 8000HXE, The Hulk.)
(CAPTION: Motorola APX 8000HXE Customer Programming Software (CPS))

It is a Division 1 intrinsically safe transceiver, which can endure a severe shock, 500-degree Fahrenheit temperature for five minutes, extreme impact, operate in highly flammable environments, and submersion for four hours in 6 feet of water.

The other feature I’m excited to use is the noise cancellation feature — check out this video clip:

All the glass on the Motorola APX 8000HXE is Gorilla Glass. The Motorola APX 8000HXE is a Motorola APX 8000 on steroids and gamma radiation — I will name my APX 8000HXE, Hulk — the Marvel Comics Green Super-hero.

Once I get the transceiver tomorrow, 30-May-2020, I will post pictures; and, I will start my code-plug.

In the meantime, here is a video clip that describes my Motorola APX 8000HXE — enjoy!


  1. Rick Hillstead says:

    Wow, great write-up. I have only been able to afford a new APX4000 so far in my quest to work my way up to an APX8000. I wish there were more Motorola HAMS here in North Georgia. It would be great to have help from others to complete a comprehensive codeplug loaded with functional repeaters, ARES, Public Service, and other useful frequencies.
    Well Done!
    Rick (N4RAH)

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    1. Hi, Rick! Don’t short-change your accomplishment — the APX 4000 is an excellent transceiver and part of the APX family. I really like that one — it does everything right!

      If you need my code-plug, let me know; I will be more than happy to pass it your way.

      Thank you for you kind comment!

      Welcome to the APX family!

      /s/ Alfonso Faustino

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  2. Rick Hillstead says:

    Thanks Alfonso!
    I have the two knob version APX4000 in VHF and a single knob APX2000 in UHF1. I wanted to give each model a fair evaluation. I have to admit, I prefer the two knob model. Especially if you are wearing gloves.
    One of my firefighter ham friends just got an APX7000 with VHF and UHF1 bands. He has just started the fun adventure of learning to navigate the APX CPS!

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    1. Yes, I like the 2-knob version — much easier to navigate. The APX 7000 was my first choice. I would rather have that model cuz I don’t use the two other bands. That’s so great to have you in the APX family. Check out the PAPA net — reflector 31077: Tuesday nights at 1900 hours PDT/PST

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      1. Rick Hillstead (Mobile) says:

        Alfonso,Hello again! Well we finally got power back last night after the remnants of Hurricane Zeta went directly over us. We lost several big trees, fortunately none fell on our house. Glad my generator was able to sustain critical functions for three days and able to provide some power for lights for a neighbor as well.I have been working with my firefighter friend who just bought the APX7000. I am impressed with that radio enough to take the plunge and buy one myself. The dual band capability pushed me over the edge!I would like to take you up on your offer to share your APX codeplug. I think that will shorten our leaning curve by providing a template to populate with local frequencies. We have been playing around with P25 for years as well using EF Johnson radios.I have several versions of the CPS including 21.40.00 and 20.00.04.By the way, my daughter, Shanti Hall, is a 25 year veteran firefighter and the Logistics Chief at Miami-Dade Fire Rescue. Several years ago, she played a small role in the Reno 911 Miami movie. She was credited as the “Hot Paramedic” in the film credits. She was a Lt. at the time. Both my daughters and I are big supporters of the Sundance Film Festival. Heres a link to one of our “spoof mockumentary” websites: 73,RickN4RAH

        Rick Hillstead 770-241-6100  Sent via an alledgedly smartphone…

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      2. Hey, I’ve seen Shanti! That’s amazing — congratulations on her making Lt. and her film credits. Both are amazing accomplishments. I’m glad to read she supports Sundance.

        Another congratulations— to you picking up the APX 7000! I’m really happy for you — you will really like it — and, it’s really nice not having to carry two different transceivers around. I will have to check out the CPS version I’m using to make certain our CPSes are compatible. I will do that this evening, as I will be working on auditions at home right now. I really happy for you.

        I bet Shanti has used that transceiver as a firefighter. Thanks for your post, and I will get back to you on the CPS this evening, 31-October-2020.

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